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Sound of Southern Gospel - Nov 2003


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After recent comments on the article, I’ve decided to respond to a couple of those and to discuss subwoofers. Subwoofers are critical for creating certain audio atmospheres and for having an efficient use of power for the low end of your program material. However different subs have different characteristics and their performance is highly dependent on placement.

First of all, to quickly reply to a couple of comments, I’d like to tackle the all in one cabinet design. As convenient as this may be, it may not be the best choice sonically. Here’s my reasoning. Though the dual 15’s have great low end output, they can’t move as fast as a 10” or 12” woofer to accurately reproduce the critical midrange which is where most of your vocal range is. This is why a 3 way box with a subwoofer performs very well for vocal groups. For instance, I’m looking at purchasing a 3 way box with a 1” horn, 6” midrange, and 12” horn loaded woofer. This is a very ideal package and is highly accurate in reproducing vocals. Also, with an all in one box you can’t get a very good height out of them, thus sometimes having very different levels between your front and last rows. However, you can achieve a very good sound with a combination box and it certainly does cut down on cost of the actual cabinets and amps. This is a very economical way to go.

Now the part about the delay and phase and time alignment is true. However, it has been my experience that this is not as much of a problem with some of the new powered speakers that are out. Most people would not be able to sit in the audience and say “those speakers are out of phase or need to be delayed.” However with credit to the reader, it does affect the over all frequency response and can make it difficult to EQ if the system is out of phase or the drivers are not at least close in alignment. But don’t let this worry all of you who have separate subs and top speakers. Simply try to keep your subs as close to your top speakers as possible and you should be okay. And this is what we are about to talk about.

Subwoofers provide the “meat” of a sound system. They can make or break a bass singer. First let’s look at what kind of subs are out there.

Picking a subwoofer can be tricky. 2 main things to look for are the continuous and max SPL output and usable frequency range. Wattage is not everything. Wattage simply tells you how much power that speaker takes to reach a certain output level. The more efficient sub is going to have a higher output at a lower wattage. This means you use less power. Frequency response is a little trickier. Make sure you look for the usable range. For example 40hertz to 120 hertz would be average. However I would not get a sub that doesn’t go at least down to 40 hertz. This will produce most of the signal that your audience will be able to hear.

So should you get a single 18 or a dual 15 or a single 15 or dual 12 or what?!?! Well, I have to admit, there is only one brand that I would use a 12” or smaller woofer for my subs. That said, I prefer 15” subs and even more than that, dual 15’s are great (IMO). I currently run 2 single 18’s and they can get a little out of control and sound boomy. This is very characteristic of 18’s. Again, the smaller the woofer the faster it can move, providing for a tighter sound. Not to say I’ve not heard a tight sounding 18 but they’ve had a good amount of processing and they were high end boxes. Picking the right sub cabinets also depends on your program material. For instance, if you are a trio and you just use tracks, your low end can be produced very easily by a single 15. However, if you are a quartet with say drums and bass guitar and piano, you’ll need something a quite a bit beefier.

Dual 15’s are my favorite. It gives you the tightness of the smaller 15, but will reach down low to reproduce in the same range as an 18, but with a much higher output. It’s the kind of bass that will hit you in the chest and leave a bruise if you want it to! Single 15’s are a great alternative if you can’t afford or pack a dual 15. This is a major reason why most powered subs are 15’s.

Placing subs is really quite easy. Placing the subs directly in line with your top boxes is the best, because they should be delayed a little if they aren’t lined up vertically. However, it won’t be the end of the world if you can’t match them up every time. Also, some powered subs have a phase switch, which in my experience works very well. Buying speaker systems that have built in processing or an outboard processor with presets for the particular speaker you have can take care of this as well.

Here’s the kicker. The very best place to put your subs, if they don’t end up too far in front of the main speakers, is to pack all of them smack dab in the center(on the floor of course). Here’s why. Lower frequencies cancel each other out very easily because they are not very directional. When you have them separated you’ll have lines of low end. If you looked at it through a computer program, it looks like pin stripes through your audience. This is another good reason to have separate subs. When your low end all comes from the same place (in the center), the low end is evenly distributed from the same source. This eliminates hot spots and dead spots when it comes to your low end. Essentially they work as one single cabinet and dispersion is very even plus you gain an extra 3 to 6 db worth of low end. So of course this is especially useful when you’re in a venue that’s really too big for your system or for outdoor venues. I myself realize this is not always possible due to most of the venues we play in this industry. But every time I get the chance to I will place my subs as mentioned above.

I hope this helps some. I’m sorry, I have not gotten word of any workshops at this time. However, I am going to go ahead and recommend some magazines to subscribe to. Just look them up on the web. I will also answer everybody’s question to anything audio…Read the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Hand Book if you want to learn live audio. The below magazines are great too, but I read the Yamaha book almost as much as my Bible.

Pro Audio Review
Live Sound
Church Production
Pro Sound News
Sound and Communications

See ya’ll on the road and keep those emails comin’

Josh Hoevelmann

Reader Comments

I've not yet been convinced most groups need sub-woofers. An awful lot of groups (the small, part-timers I'm talking about, here!) play mostly small venues that really wouldn't benefit from the added bass depth, as there probably isn't room in most churches for the sound to fully develop. I've not noticed any remarkable difference between the sound of groups with sub-woofers and those without. Of course, I may not have ever heard a properly set-up sub-woofer, either! LOL


Commented by On 11/05/2003
It is quite easy to design a speaker cabinet with the subs built into and included with the rest of the array. Getting a tight bottom end has much more to do with the woofer quality, box design, and amplifier damping than the size of the woofer. We run a 2 way, biamped dual 15 setup, with a TAD 4001 high frequency driver. The system is ruler flat from 30 hz to 18kHz. It tops out in sound pressure level at about 130 dbspl. I agree that most of the readily available, off-the-shelf systems fare much better as three way than two way. But that is primarly a function of economics. A speaker cabinet that sells for $300 total versus ONE quality woofer that sells higher than that, can easily show where the disparity begins and ends. But to conclude that 2 way cabinets aren't "tight" enough is a stretch. Big format double 15 studio monitors like Westlake, Sierra's, Tads, and Genelics would prove that theory wrong real fast.


Commented by On 11/05/2003
One more thing, Two 15 inch woofers in a 10 cubic foot enclosure, properly vented, will have identical response and low end coverage as One 15 in exactly half the cabinet size, and vented accordingly. The difference is in total output level. The dual version should have 3 db more acoustic output. Proper vent design and associated proper low frequency cutoff, will offer the best XMAX. XMAX is the total distance a woofer can travel before bottoming out in its frame. A woofer rated at 1000 watts may only be able to handle 25 watts at, say 20Hz.


Commented by On 11/05/2003
I can tell Ben my have most of his experience in the studio. Studio monitors are near field and are constructed and designed for near field. As to where live speakers are designed completely different. So comparing studio monitors to live PA is like apples and oranges. I would also be interested to measure your speakers, for I have never measured a perfectly flat speaker, even those that advertise to be so. As far as cabinet design, remember, most of us are on a budget. Buying a box with a 18 or 2 that has the correct characteristics to be "tight" and not use too much power compared to a more affordable 15 or dual. I don't remember ever saying a 2 way box is not tight. I think I said I've never been happy with the vocal quality and the fact I get them up high enough to cover evenly. I'll admit, I also follow the way of the pro touring market like a sheep. I've not been to a major tour that has used the 2 way box method yet. I wish you'd send me a way to email you to talk about some of your other ideas and more about the speakers you have. They sound very well made.


Commented by On 11/07/2003
Josh, actually I have been invloved with a lot of touring systems. I do consulting work for speaker mfg's. With any system, wheter studio or stage, if one could get a single transducer to cover the entire spectrum, it would be better. The more crossovers, the more possibility for phase and time distortions. A 2 way system with the crossover slightly above the vocal range can be the clenest way to produce high quality stage cabinets. However, contrary to an above comment, it is far from the most econimical method to go for it requires very high quality transducers and correct box design. As to getiing the speakers high enough, we can typically get the horn 6-8 feet above the floor, which for most applications is perfect. I am currently working on a 2 wheel aluminum truck that also has the capability to lift the bottom of our 50 inch tall cabinets so that the bottom of the cabinet is 5 feet or more above the floor, putting the hornat about 9 feet. The two lifts are done, and working great, but a couple of minor winch details will be redone in the next few days. This design is a popular with some very well know touring sound companies. And on another note, studio monitors such as those I mentioned are not technically near field. They are much to large for that type of point source requirement. Ben (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


Commented by On 11/09/2003
Josh, thanks for following up with a discussion on sub placement. That was the point that I was trying to make. Even without crossovers and speaker management systems, simple logical placement can go a long way before you spend tons of money. Unfortunately I seem to have learned to do both. :oops: Fortunately I do follow the principle of buy once, cry once.


Commented by On 11/09/2003
Placement of subs (if used) is very critical. If the proper placement is determined via test and measurement, (Audio Precision, etc) then moving the subs even mere inches can change the phase and time relationship between subs and the next cabinet in your array. This can cause comb filtering and can actual render either subs or mids useless. This is my big contention with seperate subs. Some companies have addressed this problem by provising a place for a metal tube to be inserted into the top of the sub for the midrange cabinets to be elevated off of. This is a pretty fare approach, but has pratfalls. There is a triangle between mid/high cabinets, subs and audience. This triangle of time and phase changes based on how close one sets to the front or rear of the venue. Thus the phase offset must be a compromise that reflects the middle of this range. Putting subs in the middle of your sound field is good for low end location, but not necessarily good for phase nor time alignment. In speakers, there is no perfect solution as everything is accomplished thru compromise.


Commented by On 11/09/2003
Ben, though I don't agree with everything you've expressed, I appreciate your expertise and opinion from someone with your experience. Thanks for the other perspective you bring. I have personally not experienced any of the problems you list with seperate subs, though I know they exist. And I simply prefer and have been advised by speaker companies to use as small a woofer as possible for my vocal critical system without compromising output and frequency range. The buildings we play are usually too large to be happy with only 6-8 feet high speakers. We suspend our speakers on an 11 foot crank ups. I've had a lot of success with our set up as I'm sure you have with yours. By the way there's a lift on the market that does exactly what you're talking about.


Commented by On 11/09/2003
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